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Mens Primal 2 Black

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$95.00
Mens Primal 2 Black

Mens Primal 2 Black

Lems Shoes
$95.00
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6.9oz Lightweight Barefoot Sneaker

MORE FLEXIBLE THAN YOUR YOGA TEACHER

We don't always wear shoes, but when we do, we choose the OG of the Lems line, the Primal2 - an ultra-minimalist, everyday shoe that lets you get the most out of every day. Its' wide toebox, natural shape, and inspired minimalist running shoe design are ideal for any daily deed that your calendar calls for. Did we mention the zero drop outsole will make you more grounded than a spring chicken with aspirations of flight? Or the lightweight 6.9oz frame that gives you the impression that your feet are on cloud 9? Oh, and how about the super soft, vegan friendly materials that allow the foot to flex like a master of yin yoga? These features come together to comprise the Primal2. All this while promoting healthy foot development and aiding in alleviating certain foot ailments such as bunions and hammertoes. A package deal like the Primal2 is rarer than a unicorn colony dwelling under any double rainbow! So, whether standing at work, walking the dog, or running everyday errands, the Primal2 is certainly the 'go to shoe' for you. What are you waiting for? Carpe diem and seize yourself a pair of the insanely comfortable Primal2.

  • LAST  Lems Natural-Shape Last
  • UPPER  Super-soft microfiber + open-weave mesh (100% vegan)
  • LINING 100% moisture-wicking polyester
  • OUTSOLE  8.0mm LemsRubber (air-injection rubber)
  • FOOTBED  3.0mm removable PU insole
  • INSOLE BOARD  1.0mm PU strobel (lined with fabric on top)
  • STACK HEIGHT  9.0mm (not including 3.0mm footbed)
  • DROP 0.0mm (Zero-Drop)
  • WEIGHT  6.9oz/195g (size 43)
 
 
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  • 5
    Feels Great

    Posted by Gilbert on Feb 1st 2017

    I've only had them for a month, but they're great so far. Feet feel freee

  • 5
    why wear anything else?

    Posted by Kyle on Jan 26th 2017

    I was hesitant to purchase another pair of shoes online without trying them on first. I have a lot of difficulty finding a shoe that accommodates the width of my foot without being to long. I bit the bullet and put in my lems order. I can't even begin to describe how amazing the shoe felt the first time I put it on. It was the first shoe that I ever put on and didn't want to take off. They are quickly replacing almost every other shoe I own. I can't think of any show that I enjoy wearing as much as my lems. Thank you lems! I finally have a shoe that fits my foot.

  • 5
    Absolutely Incredible.

    Posted by Jason on Jan 21st 2017

    These are by far the most all-around great pair of shoes I've ever worn. I've been walking in them all day, every day for a little over a year and the tread is just a little worn, which is outstanding considering how thin the soles actually are. The wide toe box is amazing and fits correcttoes very well. They are very light and give the best tactile feel of the ground for how durable they actually are. The rest of the shoe has completely held up. No tears or worn spots on anything other than the heel of the insert, which has just barely worn through the fabric of the insert. They can also be worn without socks because of the soft interior. An added bonus that I hadn't thought of when I purchased them is that, while not actually being waterproof, if you have a great pair of Injinji toe socks and you step in a puddle, it doesn't bother your feet all day. It just feels like your bare feet are wet and not like you're walking around in a cotton swampland. Best pair of shoes I've ever worn. I always recommend them.

  • 5
    Very happy

    Posted by Chris on Jan 3rd 2017

    These were my first pair of minimalist shoes. I came from Converse One Stars after reading about the benefits of a minimalist shoe, but was hesitant to buy the Lems without being able to first try them on. I found that my feet move around much more in the Lems than other shoes so I needed to return my first pair and reorder a size up. After that, the experience has been great. There is a some glue visible on the seams like some reviews mention but it's not enough to bother me (got the black on black). Other reviews mention the branding written all over the shoe. I agree that it's a bit much but it's not noticeable unless you pick the shoe up and examine it, so I can live with it. I've been using these as gym shoes and everyday shoes for about 9 months. They breathe very well and don't smell, even after a sweaty workout. I love the way they fit and how light they are on my feet. I plan to buy a pair of the Boulder boots too.

  • 4
    Great shoes!

    Posted by Isaac on Dec 12th 2016

    This is actually my 3rd pair of Lems. I have another pair of the Primal 2's that I wore out entirely from wearing them running for 8 months or so. Anyways, they're super comfortable, breathable, very flexible, and all around great minimal shoes. I will say that next time I'll probably go with a color again instead of black on black... they're a bit too uniform for me but they'll certainly work :)

  • 4
    Solid Minimalist Shoe

    Posted by J Rudd on Nov 30th 2016

    These shoes are comfortable, stylish, and provide the wearer with something many minimalist shoes go without, laces. I've worn slip on shoes like ZEM for years and it's refreshing to have laces again. The only con I can think of is that the sole is a bit thicker than I'm used to. It's still better than wearing a classic sneaker though.

  • 5
    I LOVE my Lems

    Posted by Adam Musselman on Oct 30th 2016

    I work in the service industry which keeps me on my feet for a minimum of 10 hours a day. In addition to this I run a few miles every morning before walking to (and from) work. Long story short I'm on my feet a lot. I've gone through just about every type of work shoe/boot/clog out there and none come close to how comfortable I am in my Lems. There was a bit of an adjustment period while my body remembered what is was like to walk "barefoot" and I honestly had my doubts at first. Once the muscles in my legs and feet got the hang of it however, I realized I didn't want to walk any other way. I'm back now to purchase a pair of Boulder Boots soon to be followed by a pair of Nine2five. (While I love my Primal 2's they are admittedly not ideal for work) Great job guys. You've got a customer for life in me!!

  • 4
    Awesome

    Posted by Jeremy on Oct 20th 2016

    I'm a Military guy that puts equal amount of time on gravel, treadmills, and weight room floors. These shoes are awesome. I used to wear VFFs, but the last two pairs I owned fell apart after my third or fourth week. Also, the goofy looking factor weighed heavy on my conscious. These shoes give me the same sense of oneness with the ground as VFFs without the embarrassment of running around in absurd foot gloves. Only critique: these shoes make my feet blazing hot. Definitely could use some breathability tweaks on v 2.1/3.0. Having said that, I'll deal with sweaty feet over having to completely kick off normal gym shoes before getting in a squat rack, and I'll certainly take the sweat over feeling ridiculous in "toe shoes." Rock on Lems team. I'll be back.

  • 5
    Manager

    Posted by Ken Schellenberg on Oct 17th 2016

    The shoes are excellent except that we couldn't know exactly what size to get. The writeup on the website said to get them slightly larger than normal, because their sizes are slightly smaller. So we did, only the shoes were still too small. We tried to make them work anyway. By the time we found that the shoe just was not going to work (too small; toes started hurting over two weeks of trying) the rubber side of the shoe started peeling away from the fabric. It seems that perhaps the shoes were too deteriorated to reasonably expect to be able to return them. It would have been better to know what size we would be getting, like for most shoes that you buy online (my Vibrams were exactly what the size chart and my measurements predicted!)

  • 5
    Excellent

    Posted by Adam on Oct 14th 2016

    I've been a long-time minimalist wearer. It had come to time for me to try out a new company however, and by a stroke of luck found Lems. Of course looking for the most minimalist available here, I settled on the Primal 2. Overall these are the best minimalist shoes I've ever had! To be fair, my experiences are not vast, but I mean this in several areas. Esthetically these are exactly what I'm looking for. In one fashion an obvious minimalist, and yet not meriting that "nice shoes...?" type of reaction. They're casual, not screaming "I'm a hipster shoe!". The only weak-ish point is the sole because of the thickness and therefore slight lack of sensory perception in comparison to my usual choice. Yet I suspect this is due to an interest in essentially making these shoes strong where many minimalists are weak: being worth the purchase in the long run. I mean of course durability. Though of course only time can really tell, I divine a stable design in these that in my opinion looks like it'll last. I would estimate that there is 75% sensory perception at least by comparison to my usual. Because of this, I suspect the minimalist feel will reach its prime midway through wearing them down. Finally one little detail which is very nice for me: how quickly they dry. For those who have been into minimalists as everyday shoes, and wearing them without socks, you understand the pain of cleaning and drying to keep that oh-so-natural smell at bay. My habit has for years now been to take them into the shower, rinse, disinfecting wipe, rinse, then put them under a small fan while I sleep. Sometimes therefore I would need to have a back-up pair because the ones worn the previous day were still slightly damp. These dry far faster, and so far I have worn them every day since they arrived! I'd recommend these to anyone!

  • 5
    Ethical, Reliable, Fashionable

    Posted by Jordan on Oct 4th 2016

    I had a very specific check list. I wanted a versatile shoe that I could wear to work or the gym, that had lots of mesh as my feet can get sweaty. I also wanted it to be vegan, in alignment with my personal ethics. I wanted a pair of shoes that wouldn’t fall apart in a few months, and lastly I wanted it to be fashionable. It was difficult to find what I was looking for, I couldn’t find it in stores and there were less than a handful of options online, The Primal 2 being the clear winner. I was a little turned off by the price at first but they are worth every penny. You really do get what you pay for. So i put in my order being hesitant, It’s risky business to drop a hundred dollars on something you never tried on. I was also scared by some people saying the shoe ran small. I normally wear a size 10.5 so I went for the size 44 suggested and they fit perfectly. To help anybody else with that concern here are the actual measurements of my feet. 10.5 inches in length (26.67 cm) and at the widest their width is 4 inches (10 cm) When I got the shoe they were even nicer looking than I expected. They had the Lems logo on the side (which I normally don’t like being a billboard for a company, but I really support this one) There was no “Live Easy and Minimal” on the heel how it shows on the pictures and how some people have complained about, I was happy to see it gone also. When I put them on they felt a little snug, and I wasn’t used to the zero drop, so the first few days I was a little unsure. My feet hurt after my shifts at work. But with all shoes there is a adjustment period, and within a few days my shoes loosened up and felt amazing. The pain disappeared, I come home from work feeling amazing! After a month of wear I haven’t witnessed any deterioration in any of the materials, the stitching, the soles everything looks mint and these are the only shoe I have worn for the last month. I tend to put more wear on my shoes than I would say the average person. I get so many compliments on my Primal 2’s and I rant and rave about them when people bring them up, They are such cute functional shoes. I would buy these again in a heartbeat. I am also super interested in their vegan boulder boot! This is a company that knows what they are doing, and knows design.

  • 5
    Sleek & Comfortable

    Posted by Brandon on Oct 4th 2016

    I love these shoes! With the extra sole taken out, they are extremely thin and comfortable. The wide toe box is perfect for using Correct Toes, and super comfortable without. The all black is sleek, except for the obvious Lems writing on the side, which I could have gone without. Overall, great comfortable shoe that is now a staple in my wardrobe!

  • 5
    Lens are my go to shoes!

    Posted by Jonathan Faubion on Oct 2nd 2016

    I have been wearing lens exclusively for about 3 years and my feet love me for it!! Wide toe box flexible sole very natural fit and feel what more could you ask for.

  • 4
    Mr

    Posted by Bob Shock on Jul 30th 2016

    I've only been wearing them fulltime for two weeks and this is my first pair of minimal shoes . I usually wear 2e 11.5 shoes and the 45 size fits perfectly if I remove the insole and wear skinny socks. Definitely can feel every pebble and bump in the path. Jogging feels better than trying to walk quickly. Seem to have held up well so far!

  • 5
    Lems are gems

    Posted by Chris on Jul 30th 2016

    After wanting and trying on black shoes for over a year without success, my wife said try Lems, he's a local guy from our area that started his own biz. Well let me say I'm glad I did because they are ridiculously comfy. I may buy two more pairs in different styles.

  • 5
    Comfortable

    Posted by Joe on Jul 15th 2016

    Excellent workout shoes

  • 4
    Lems Primal Black

    Posted by Philip Ruben on Jul 12th 2016

    I love everything about the shoes except the bruise on the toe next to the big toe caused by friction.

  • 5
    Close to barefoot

    Posted by Shannon on Jun 19th 2016

    I run in these without socks. I have run barefoot but most routes I have are paved and tear up my soles. These shoes give me a close approximation without the worry of cut up feet.

  • 5
    Perfect!

    Posted by Jason on Jun 9th 2016

    I just sent this to the Lem team, via an email, because I love these shoes so much "Hi, I was fortunate enough to win a pair Lems Primal 2's from weartested.org contest and I have put about 200 miles of mostly road running, including the New Orleans Half Marathon (which I ended up finishing 10 min faster then my goal time!), on them and I wanted to let you know that I LOVE them. I suffered from shin splints and knee problems with traditional running shoes, and didn't think I was ever going to be able to run again, before I decided to try the minimalist route (I'm a bit of an unhipster in that I got into minimalist running when everyone began fleeing, lol!). Well it worked! I wore Vibram Five Fingers and Merrell Trail Gloves before getting my Primals. I liked them and I still wear them from time to time and grateful they allowed me to run again but the Primals are the perfect shoe which I never thought I would find. I love the wide toe box,flexible with just the right amount of stiffness (my Merrells cave in at the toe box), zero drop, a little support and I love how you only have to tie the laces snug and they never come loose. I will definitely be purchasing another pair when these wear out (although they do not appear to be anytime soon). Please do not discontinue or change the design of them. They are perfect! Also anytime someone asks for a recommendation for a minimalist shoe, I recommend the Primal 2's. I also like the look of some of your other shoes (especially the mariner) and will definitely consider them for my future purchases)."

  • 5
    A Very Comfortable Shoe

    Posted by Art on May 28th 2016

    I love my Lems. Very comfortable. Great ground feel and the ventilation is amazing.

  • 5
    Best Shoes

    Posted by Rob on May 13th 2016

    Wear these all day long. Truly the best shoes.

  • 5
    Everything I wanted

    Posted by Krishanu on May 12th 2016

    I've had these shoes for about a month or two now, and these shoes are precisely what I want. They are soft and supple, and completely flexible - it's like wearing a slipper, and you have that "natural" feel, yet at the same time they provide just enough sole and cushion that you don't feel jarring in your feet when you walk over bricks or cracked pavement. The fit is great (with a big toebox), but again the soft, supple build means they will conform to many different foot shapes. I can comfortably sprint in these shoes, on nearly any surface. They also look stylish - obviously secondary to the above points, but a nice added bonus! I'm back now to pick up a pair of their dress shoes!

  • 5
    Perfect Shoe!

    Posted by Joseph on May 6th 2016

    The primal 2 is the best pair of shoes I've ever purchased. The have the minimal feel that I was looking for, but they are also high quality and sturdily constructed. The wide toe box has a simply amazing feel. Do yourself a favor and get a pair for yourself.

  • 5
    Primal-2-Eclipse Size 40

    Posted by Khanita on May 1st 2016

    I bought these shoes right before my trip to China since we were going to do a lot of walking. We walked around the Great Wall, up a mountain and around lakes and these shoes were really amazing. They were very comfortable but allowed me to use my intrinsic foot muscles the way they should be used during walking! The wide toe box was really great for me because I have bunions on both feet so they were never sore afterwards. They were really light and comfortable even though I was hiking maybe 3-5 miles per day. I like them a lot because I am able to see where in my gait I'm actually compensating and trying to fix it at the same time.

  • 5
    Feet therapy!

    Posted by Patti on Apr 29th 2016

    After watching the video on the Lems website about the benefits of a zero sole, I decided to try the Primal 2 shoe. After suffering over a year with the pain of capsulitis, I was willing to try almost anything -- and had in fact already experimented with various other brands of shoes and insoles. Within a week of switching to Lems, I was almost free of pain. Also ordered and thoroughly enjoy the Lems Mariner shoes. Highly recommended.

  • 5
    Ms

    Posted by Carol on Apr 25th 2016

    I am so glad I took a chance on these shoes. They are extremely comfortable on my complaining feet! The wide toe box is great and they're great to walk in. Narrow enough in the heel to avoid sliding which is often a problem for me. And they are stinking cute.

  • 5
    2nd verse, same as the 1st

    Posted by Ben on Apr 25th 2016

    Bought the grey P2s after my first pair (black) became my everyday shoes, and I didn't want to wear them out too soon. Needless to say, I'm very happy with my purchases. Next up: a pair of Nine2Fives :)

  • 5
    Pain-Free

    Posted by R. T. on Apr 24th 2016

    I had been suffering from plantar fasciosis. I had tried many different remedies without success. After I ran across Dr. Ray McClanahan's approach to treatment with correct toes and his recommendation for Lems, I ordered both and only after about three weeks, I have had a major reduction in pain!! I am convinced that Lems are definitely the best way to allow feet to function like they were designed. When I am not going barefoot, I am wearing Lems and correctoes! I also want to give a shout out to Lems customer service! The first pair I ordered was a little too small and customer service was very efficient in exchanging them for the correct size! Keep up the great work!

  • 5
    Superb

    Posted by Anonymous on Apr 24th 2016

    These shoes are incredibly comfortable and love the extra space for your toes. Great shoe for everyday wear. And easy to wash and dry out as well.

  • 5
    Mr

    Posted by Yiftach Madar on Apr 23rd 2016

    So far so good :) I don't use the shoes for running so I can't comment of that, but those are some really nice shoes to walk around in. I had to get used to them, as the zero-drop changes the posture and make your whole body makes adjustments so I felt it for a week in my back, but now they are just wonderful. make me feel very free, agile and they are very comfortable. They look good and get good attention.

  • 5
    Most comfortable shoes I've ever owned

    Posted by Ren on Apr 23rd 2016

    I love, love, love these shoes. They've given me back my walking freedom! No more foot pain at all. Since purchasing my Primal 2s I regularly take walks that last anywhere between 30-60 minutes at a time. This was an impossibility in my last pair of walking shoes - my bunion made walking just too painful. Not anymore. I WILL be buying more Primal 2s in future - no doubt about that.

  • 5
    Loving my feet!!

    Posted by Megan on Apr 23rd 2016

    I love these shoes! Most minimal footwear is weird looking and expensive! While these are more than I usually spend on shoes they are way cheaper than most. Super comfortable and look like normal shoes.

  • 5
    Running

    Posted by Chris on Apr 21st 2016

    My feet are nearly as comfortable as being barefoot in these. Extremely light, and very breathable make for an unmatchable running experience, while being protected at the same time.

  • 5
    great shoes

    Posted by Maya on Apr 21st 2016

    These shoes are very comfortable--extremely light. It feels like I am not wearing shoes! I have been wearing them more than I expected to. I bought them to be athletic shoes and now I am wearing them for much more because they are so comfy. It took me a little while to get the sizing right--I normally wear a 7.5 to 8 in other shoes and the size 40 has the right fit.

  • 5
    Great Shoes

    Posted by Martin Tsachev on Apr 21st 2016

    I was a bit worried if I would get the right fit online, especially as it's not the size I normally purchase but it turned out fantastic in the end. Super light shoes, super comfortable to wear, thick soles so great for everyday use in the city. Only downside I can think of is that the shoe strings are a bit shorter than my preference. I can barely tie them together. I've been wearing almost exclusively barefoot shoes since Oct 2014 and I learnt the hard way to look for shoes with thicker soles after getting chronic pain in my feet. This pair is fantastic for starting with barefoot. I'm quite happy with my purchase and I would definitely recommend Lems Shoes to friends who want to go into barefoot.

  • 5
    Ms

    Posted by Shawn on Apr 20th 2016

    My feet and I LOVE these shoes! Every few months I assist an organization on the production team that puts on 3-day courses and work 14-16 hours each day and the vast majority of that time is on my feet standing, and moving chairs and equipment. Normally my feet are killing me after about 10 hours on the first day! .... Then along came Lems Primal 2's! I've now worn the Primal's at 3 of these events and my feet are fabulous andpain free the entire weekend! Thank You Lems!

  • 4
    Great Shoes, Runs Small

    Posted by Russ Davis on Apr 20th 2016

    I bought a pair of Stems in October of 2011, and since then I've picked up the Boulder Boot and the Nine-to-Five. Loved them all. These are great shoes, but the Primal 2 size 42 is significantly smaller than the 42 in any of the other models I've owned. I'm continuing to wear them in the hopes that they stretch out or loosen up, but so far it hasn't happened. Overall it's a fantastic shoe, I just wish the sizing was more consistent, it's such a hassle to process returns by mail.

  • 4
    High Arch, not so good

    Posted by Kelly on Apr 19th 2016

    I have a high arch. I love the shoe design and were them constantly but the top of the shoe constricts my arch in front it is not painful but it is tight at he spot where the tong and laces start. A little more room there and the shoe would be perfect in all ways.

  • 5
    ranchwoman

    Posted by Kit on Apr 19th 2016

    These are the most comfortable shoes I have ever owned. I like the styling and the plain colors without loud stripes as well. Please don't change them at all!

  • 5
    farmer

    Posted by Todd on Apr 19th 2016

    Love wearing these shoes my back feels so much better I will be getting more

  • 5
    Hurt my feet

    Posted by Natasha Tucker on Apr 19th 2016

    I wear minimalist shoes every day. Running, biking and working. These shoes were okay at first, but after an hour or so at work I could tell something was wrong. Right where the bend of my toes on each side hurt SO much. So I didn't wear them for a few days and asked my friends if they had the same issues. They all said they had but it stopped after a week or so. So I just dealt with the pain for a few more days to see if it got better. I didn't. So I got a hold of the warranty dept, since in the note they sent with the shoes bragging about their return policy. Well, folks, don't wear the shoes outside if you think you may have to return them. They said I could send them back to have someone review them, but if I wore them outside, I couldn't return them. I just gave them to a friend, who is having the same issue

  • 5
    Primals

    Posted by Lisa Gillette on Apr 18th 2016

    My daughter had a pair of these last time I visited her and I noticed how wide the toe box was. My boyfriend bought me a pair and I love them. They are my most comfortable shoes that I own!

  • 5
    Excellent foot wear

    Posted by Aaron on Apr 18th 2016

    I wore out my previous shoes to the sub-sole desperately trying to find a shoe with a sturdy thin sole and wide toe box. There are many minimalist shoes on the market, but for some reason the toe box is always so narrow. The instant I put my foot in this shoe, I was relieved. These are the best shoes I have ever worn and will be purchasing Lems for a long time to come.

  • 5
    Miss

    Posted by Kerry on Apr 16th 2016

    The BEST SHOES EVER! Seriously. My feet have never felt better. They dont get sore or feel tired in Lems. I have worn them pretty much every day since I received them. I didnt really have any foot problems, but I do follow a paleo/ primal lifestyle, and these shoes fit right in with the lifestyle. Ive worn them on hikes, bike rides, walking the dogs, yard work, and to work. I'm already thinking about my next pair!

  • 5
    the perfect shoe

    Posted by David on Apr 16th 2016

    Love the Primal 2! I get many complements. Super comfortable and they look awesome. I think they are basically the perfect shoe.

  • 5
    Dipl. Eng.

    Posted by Marijan on Apr 16th 2016

    Simply the best shoes for me till now. Whenn I visit a foreign countries I walk a lot and it is very important to have a good shoes. Best regards to all Lems users.

  • 5
    Dr

    Posted by Am on Apr 16th 2016

    I enjoy wearing Lems shoes. The minimal construction and appropriate toe-box width don't constrict my feet as most other conventional shoes have. My feet have strengthened and widened significantly since I started wearing Lems regularly. Thus, I've had to purchase a larger size within just a few months. Had I anticipated this expansion and welcomed relief, I would've initially ordered a larger pair. Additionally, they are very light, comfortable and conservative in appearance. Thank you, Lems.

  • 5
    Don't Hesitate!

    Posted by Nicole on Apr 15th 2016

    I am not a shoe person. In fact, my sandals and snow boots were gifts and the last time I purchased shoes was years ago when they were on clearance and I thought it was a good idea to have on hand. Recently I started hiking more and I could no longer wear flip flops with all the loose leaf on the ground and wearing a 28 lb. toddler on my back. I started to do research and every comparison and review I read put Lems first. I was extremely hesitant to buy them. I have no sizing experience since I don't buy shows and I just don't line them in general. I finally decided to just go with it and buy them. I am so glad I did. My feet get squished in traditional shoes since I have worn sandals for the last 15 years at least. They're very comfortable and flexible. I can still feel the ground, though for me it still very much feels like a shoe, my partner got a pair as well and he always wears shoes and he says they're super thin and he feels everything. He loves them as well and is excited to wear them! Absolutely worth the investment. Healthy shoes that protect my feet... and a huge bonus is that we're supporting a small company that cares about its product and customers.

  • 5
    Mrs.

    Posted by Gloria Nitti on Apr 15th 2016

    My toes keep saying OMG, OMG !!!!!!!!

  • 5
    Fits a little big but love them

    Posted by Karen on Apr 15th 2016

    My second pair of lems but my first lems runner. Fit a touch big compared to my lems boat shoe but not so much that I had to return them. Very comfy and nothing like my traditional runner that was aggravating my foot issues.

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